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Post by Sonshine on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:16 pm

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Internet reports are now circulating that Obama's Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy, John Holdren, penned a 1977 book that approved of and recommended compulsory sterilization and even abortion in some cases, as part of a government population control regime.

Given the general unreliability of Internet quotations, I wanted to go straight to this now-rare text and make sure the reports were both accurate and kept Holdren's writings in context. Generally speaking, they are, and they do.

The Holdren book, titled Ecoscience and co-authored with Malthus enthusiasts Paul and Anne Ehrlich, weighs in at more than 1,000 pages. Of greatest importance to its discussion of how to limit the human population is its disregard for any ethical considerations.

Holdren (with the Ehrlichs) notes the existence of “moral objections to some proposals...especially to any kind of compulsion.” But his approach is completely amoral. He implies that compulsory population control is less preferable, because of some people's objections, but he argues repeatedly that it is sometimes necessary, and necessity trumps all ethical objections.

He writes:

Several coercive proposals deserve discussion, mainly because some countries may ultimately have to resort to them unless current trends in birth rates are rapidly reversed by other means. Some involuntary measures could be less repressive or discriminatory, in fact, than some of the socioeconomic measures suggested.

Holdren refers approvingly, for example, to Indira Gandhi's government for its then-recent attempt at a compulsory sterilization program:

India in the mid-1970s not only entertained the idea of compulsory sterilization, but moved toward implementing it...This decision was greeted with dismay abroad, but Indira Gandhi's government felt it had little other choice. There is too little time left to experiment further with educational programs and hope that social change will generate a spontaneous fertility decline, and most of the Indian population is too poor for direct economic pressures (especially penalties) to be effective.

When necessary, then, compulsory sterilization is justified. This attitude suffuses the following passage, in which the possibility of putting a “sterilant” into a population's drinking water is seriously discussed. Holdren and his co-authors do not recommend this particular method, but their objections to it are merely practical and health-related, not moral or stemming from any concern for human freedom:

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the oposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock...Again, there is no sign of such an agent on the horizon. And the risk of serious, unforeseen side effects would, in our opinion, militate against the use of any such agent, even though this plan has the advantage of avoiding the need for socioeconomic pressures that might tend to discriminate against particular groups or penalize children.

Even though they do not recommend it, note that Holdren and his co-authors treat this as a serious policy proposal with serious drawbacks -- not as an insane idea unworthy of consideration.

They look with more favor on this “milder” form of coercive sterilization:

Of course, a government might require only implantation of the contraceptive capsule, leaving its removal to the individual's discretion but requiring reimplantation after childbirth. Since having a child would require positive action (removal of the capsule), many more births would be prevented than in the reverse situation.

Holdren and his co-authors also tackle the problem of illegitimacy, recognizing that it could be one consequence of a society which, in its effort to limit births, downgrades the value of intact nuclear families and encourages lifelong bachelorhood:

Responsible parenthood ought to be encouraged and illegitimate childbearing could be strongly discouraged. One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption -- especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone...It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.

Holdren's suggestion here is presented perfectly in context. It stands alone in the text without any accompanying reservations.

President Obama has spoken repeatedly in favor of putting science before ideology. The real debate, however, has never been about whether ethics are needed in science, but rather over whose ethics should determine where science will or will not go.

Nowhere has Obama suggested that science should be completely ethics-free. But Holdren is his Science Czar all the same.

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Post by Tricky Grama on Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:45 pm

I realize this was posted quite a while ago but I'm wondering why no one responded?
I feel our God-given rights are in danger and not too many folks seem to care.
This 'czar' Holdren is a BIG problem, as far as I'm concerned. As was Van Jones. I'm sure he is still around on the sidelines.
And others who disturb me are: Carol Browner, she belonged to "Socialists International", she's also a 'czar'.
Cass Sunstein was approved by Congress, much to the dismay of conservatives. His views are very radical. He believes animals should have legal counsel and will strive for a meatless society, among other radical ideas involving healthcare.
Mark Lloyd is all for doing away freedom of the press. He's the 'Diversity Czar".
We've seen the press sec. touting Mao as one of her favorite "political philosophers". Mao is one of the most evil men in history, responsible for 50-70 million Chinese.
The election yesterday showed the nation that the party now in power is not going to be for long. But what harm will be done in the meantime?
Prayers for our Republic.

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Post by 7dawn on Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:47 am

There aren't a lot of people who post in here. Mainly me and Sonshine. LOL! I have been so busy that I have hardly been able to keep up with the posts!

I can say (boy am I going to get in trouble for this one) that I agree if there are people out there on welfare having kids left and right to stay on welfare they should be sterilized. Or, another alternative is the government helping with one or two but after that they need to get a job and take care of the children they are producing to milk the government for all they can.

With that said, I know a lot of people that have needed to use welfare (me included) but as soon as we were able we got off of it, even before hand because I absolutely hated to do it. Instead of hiring illegals the government should make people get out and work so they can be a productive part of society instead of leeches.

*runs and hides to wait for the barrage of comments*

With that said, I do not believe in abortion at all.

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Post by Tricky Grama on Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:51 am

Dawn,

I have to say, there's times when I agree on the welfare issues-having babies just for the welfare check is not good for the country.
But Holdren wrote about the possibility of putting steriliztion drugs IN the drinking water! His only concern was how to get the dosage right.
And he believes that forced abortions are a way to control the population.

Not good for a government official, IMHO.

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Post by Sonshine on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:51 am

In my opinion, even though I agree with Dawn to a certain extent, I don't want the government to have a say in who is sterilized or not. First it'll be those who are draining the system, then it will be those who tests show are having an "imperfect" baby, next it will be those who disagree with the government. Can't breed those gun toting, religious nut jobs now, can we?

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Post by 7dawn on Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:31 am

Oh, I don't think it is a good idea. At least not in the way they present it. I do think they should look at getting a grip on those that are having kids left and right and expecting me to pay for it. One way would be to refuse to pay for anymore than one or two children. Of course, they won't do something that makes any sense. They seem to be more fascinated with death than them gun totin Christians....

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Post by Sonshine on Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:46 am

The way to do it is, you don't get paid if you don't work. Give them a job, since the stimulus supposedly created so many of them

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Post by 7dawn on Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:38 am

Amen!

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