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Post by Sawmill Jim on Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:55 am

Since doing much studying and praying I feel I am being led to sit this monstrosity out . I find there is no difference in any side both are wrong to my understanding . Many may not agree but I believe due to us as a nation turning from God and his teachings that all world Governments have skillfully been taken from us by the powers of darkness . To me this is putting my personal stamp of approval on their actions or lack there of .

Any one else feel this way or am i the lone voice .

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Post by 12acrehome on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:44 am

not voting is not the answer

I am not thrilled with Romney, but must try to ensure Obama is not re-elected. The real battle is not for the office of the president, but rather both houses of congress. With the supreme court teetering toward liberal if this poor excuse for a world leader is re-elected you can expect further attacks on the Church, as well as religious liberties

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Post by Sonshine on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:15 am

I tend to agree more with Keith. I'm not thrilled with Romney either, but I do believe he'll do more to preserve the rights of Christians than Obama will. However, I also believe Jim is right in the fact that government has turned away from God. I'm reminded though that the battle is not over yet, so I can't just sit this out. I would prefer to have a Godly man in office, but the scriptures tell us that God is the one who raises people up to power and pulls them down. Unless the Christians wake up and start humbling themselves and repenting, no matter who gets elected, nothing will change. I can't lay the blame on any political party, but on those who are called Christians. We have failed, because WE have strayed from God. Just like the Children of Israel, we have not learned from all God has blessed us with, and just like them, we will get whatever leader God determines we deserve. Remember, it was never God's intention for mankind to have a man ruling over them, but they cried out for a king and God gave them exactly what they asked for. You would think after all these years we would have learned that the only true King is the King of Kings.

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Post by Sawmill Jim on Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:02 am

12acrehome wrote:not voting is not the answer

I am not thrilled with Romney, but must try to ensure Obama is not re-elected. The real battle is not for the office of the president, but rather both houses of congress. With the supreme court teetering toward liberal if this poor excuse for a world leader is re-elected you can expect further attacks on the Church, as well as religious liberties

What tells one Romney will be any different if we are on the edge of the last days ,which i believe we are, casting ones lot for a lesser evil is still evil . My question is and one i think any Christian should ask is where is the line crossed from being in the world and becoming of the world . The congress the senate are loaded with demon possessed members .

I feel i am having a problem putting into print the whole picture or the main question like the fellow in the Bible sold his birth right for one meal ,where is that line crossed .Has God removed his hand of protection from us and if he has no man in office will help us . One famous man said once it matters not those that cast their vote but the ones that count them

Sonshine That is where where my question partly came from are we at the time God will protect his few faithful as his last times plans given in the Bible are fast coming . There are just to many things coming to pass in a large and fast way for me to think God will tarry much longer before he sends his Son to gather his Bride . Do i need more things to answer for than i have this second ? Would such as this be a sin of commission or omission

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Post by Sonshine on Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:07 am

Jim,
We all need to pray and follow God's directions. As of right now, I believe that the best we can do is vote for Romney. I don't believe God will consider it a sin. I pray and try to vote for the one who is most supportive of Christians. IMO, that would be Romney. Like you, I believe we're living in the last days. I have a different view of what that entails than most people do though, because I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, so I believe that we're in for some rough times. I don't know if a Romney administration will do anything to slow that down or not, but IMO Romney isn't much worse than other presidents we have had, but Obama, IMO is pure evil. Hope that makes sense.

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Post by 12acrehome on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:20 am

I do not see evil, just a man. A Mormon (instead of a muslim), a man who will demand a budget from congress, instead of a child who will spend without regard to financial matters. Given that the news media hates him, he must have redeeming qualities in christian circles.

http://www.mittromney.com/learn/mitt

Mitt is not a career politician. He has spent most of his life in the private sector, giving him intimate knowledge of how our economy works. But he has also been an outstanding public servant.


Facing a state legislature dominated by Democrats, Mitt cast more than 800 vetoes as he brought conservative principles to state government.


Please tell me what you find evil about Mitt.


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Post by Sonshine on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:26 am

I wasn't saying Mitt was evil. I do believe Obama is evil.

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Post by Sawmill Jim on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:25 am

Sonshine wrote:I wasn't saying Mitt was evil. I do believe Obama is evil.

I say both are evil . Also i am inclined to think the same about the Church being removed but i pray i am long gone as i am persuaded few can grasp the real evil that will be . Lots more zombie types eating people on the streets .Anyone thinking this is just drug induced is missing the point and are using their world eyes to see things .

I have researched lots of past presidents i have spent countless hours in studying the Bible and looking at the battle between God and Satan man tends to separate God ,Satan and the world into three groups .Man tends to look for a comfort zone on evil as they tend to reject that in the last days the Holocaust will look like a picnic . They don't want or can't believe man is capable of such things ,they miss that they are of their father the Devil that does this .
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12acrehome Pray long and hard . Today we have fast access to information how long i don"t know but .Look long into the Mormon religion .Look long at who are members of secret clubs and who the past members are . I remember reading about a prophet God sent to a ruler telling him not to eat food with him or tarry in the land nor eat any place in that land .He rejected tho offer of food and as he traveled he met a man calming to also be a prophet and enticed him to stop and eat . He disobeyed God and ate with him when he left he was killed by a Lion Point is Satan gives us choices one just a shade better than the other but both still his

Yes both are men but who do they serve .

RantMitt Romney Endorsement: Bohemian Club / Skull and Bones

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Post by 12acrehome on Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:56 am

Secret club??

here?
http://mormon.org/

or here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

or here?
http://www.patriotguard.org/

Some groups are by invitation ONLY and police their ranks based on Gods word. Some are charitable and simply do not want just anyone associating with them. Secret...only if you are not invited.

I'll include you in my prayers.


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Post by Sawmill Jim on Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:32 pm

Are you saying you can be a Christian a Mason too .Or a member of the Skull and Bones Club ?? Not picking a fight just curious

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Post by 12acrehome on Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:06 pm

What are you saying about the Masons?? Not confusing them with KofC are you?

This is but one small part of what the freemasons do, and who we are:
http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/

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Post by Sawmill Jim on Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:29 pm

12acrehome wrote:What are you saying about the Masons?? Not confusing them with KofC are you?

This is but one small part of what the freemasons do, and who we are:
http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/

Sorry my question was do you believe a Mason can be a Christian while being a Mason .

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Post by 12acrehome on Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:14 pm

lets turn it around, what is a FreeMason to you? Many Christians are masons, many masons are not, but do believe in a "higher power". Can a Catholic be a christian?? To be Christian means to believe in and accept Christ Jesus as your savior. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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Post by Sawmill Jim on Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:42 pm

Ah My Bible says repent .Even Satan believes Jesus is the Son of God even better he knows with out a doubt that he is the Son of God . I know about the Masons beliefs and their oaths about telling their secretes . Joesph Smith who was a 33 degree Mason and some research will tell one what telling secrets got him .

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Post by 12acrehome on Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:09 am

You seem to have your facts muddled

On June 7, 1844, the dissidents published the first (and only) issue of the Nauvoo Expositor, calling for reform within the church.[252] The paper decried polygamy and Smith's new "doctrines of many Gods,"[253] and it alluded to Smith's kingship[254] and theocratic aspirations, promising to present evidence of its allegations in succeeding issues.[255] Fearing the newspaper might bring the countryside down on the Mormons,[256] the Nauvoo city council declared the Expositer a public nuisance and ordered the Nauvoo Legion to destroy the press.[257] In the words of historian Richard Bushman, Smith "failed to see that suppression of the paper was far more likely to arouse a mob than the libels. It was a fatal mistake."[258]


By some accounts, Smith's body was shot repeatedly and nearly decapitated after he fell from the window.[259]
Destruction of the newspaper provoked a strident call to arms by Thomas C. Sharp, editor of the Warsaw Signal.[260] Fearing an uprising, Smith mobilized the Nauvoo Legion on June 18 and declared martial law. Carthage responded by mobilizing its small detachment of the state militia, and Illinois Governor Thomas Ford appeared, threatening to raise a larger militia unless Smith and the Nauvoo city council surrendered themselves.[261] Smith initially fled across the Mississippi River, but shortly returned and surrendered to Ford.[262] On June 23, Smith and his brother Hyrum were taken to Carthage to stand trial for inciting a riot.[263] Once the Smiths were in custody, the charges were increased to treason against Illinois.[264]

On June 27, 1844, an armed mob with blackened faces stormed Carthage Jail where Smith and Hyrum were being held.[265] Hyrum, who was trying to hold the door, was killed instantly with a shot to the face.[266] Smith fired a pepper-box pistol that had been smuggled into the prison, then sprang for the window.[267] He was shot multiple times before falling out the window, crying "Oh Lord my God!"[265] He died shortly after hitting the ground.[265] Smith was buried in Nauvoo.[268] Five men were later tried for his murder, but all were acquitted

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Post by 12acrehome on Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:12 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith

Masons not involved, unless one owned the newspaper he destroyed. No secrets or degrees found attached to that name.

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hmm, more aggressive sounding than intended...

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Post by Sonshine on Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:25 am

I don't know much about the Masons other than the fact that I had an uncle that was one. Now, I can't see anyone's heart, but I'm pretty sure my Uncle was a Christian. I came to that decision by what I was able to see of his life, which is all I really had to go on. I have some neighbors that are Catholics, they have repented of their sins and claim Jesus as their Savior. They are the kindest and most giving people I have ever met. I don't agree with all of the teachings of the Catholic Church, but then again, I attend a Church of God church and don't agree with all of their teachings either. To be honest, I have never found a Church that I agreed 100% of their teachings. Does that mean that there are no Christians in these churches? Or that I'm not a Christian because I attend them? We need to be careful when we judge people without knowing them. I'm reminded of this verse:

Mark 9:38-42 "'Teacher,' said John, 'we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he wasn't one of us.' 'Do not stop him,' Jesus said, 'No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward. And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.'"

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Post by Sonshine on Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:26 am

12acrehome wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith

Masons not involved, unless one owned the newspaper he destroyed. No secrets or degrees found attached to that name.

try another untruth

Can we try to keep this civil and chalk it up as each one trying to understand another. Post your facts, but leave out the "try another untruth". Thanks. Smile

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Post by 12acrehome on Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:45 am

The Catholic reference is from the era of "The Crusaides" it was at the direction and with the blessings of the church that the knights killed entire families who would not convert to christianity. Yes the King(s) actually issued the commands, but the Catholic church was involved heavily. The Knights of Colombus also thace their roots to this period of history.

The FreeMasons trace their origins to the rise of the Roman Empire. They were simply the first "Trade Union" to train and have Journeymen (traveling craftsmen) Carpenters were also admitted into this group at about the time of the birth of Jesus. These days there are many groups of Masons, the best known and most open are the Shriners (Hadi Shrine Temple). Anyone can easily see the charitable works they do. All Masonic Lodges open all meetings with a prayer to God. Some omit Jesus, some do not.

No evil here, and I do not appreciate the comments based on rumor to the contrary.

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Post by Sonshine on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:20 am

No, not the end of the thread. We are all entitled to post our beliefs and whatever proof we may have. It's up to each individual to read for themselves and pray about it. We all need to be able to discuss issues in a Christian manner.

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Post by Sawmill Jim on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:21 am

For most every thing in the world Satan has a close copy And at a certain point Got gives people over to their hardness of heart . Even when those facts are in stone they will find a way to make it ok .
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-temple-square-utah/
Im sure some will say these many symbols are just decorations .
Also http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/does-mormonism-really-teach-that-jesus-is-the-spirit-brother-of-satan/

The Bible tell us to not be unequally yolked you can't serve two masters . Even those folks that proclaim Satan as their master do some good works ,these are the ones that are not hid . They even got a fine web page .

I also am reminded at the time of the Great Flood only eight people were saved . Why would the Bible say narrow is the way and few there in find it if you could live by what looks good or feels good and not by the word of God .

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Mark 9:38-42 could not Jesus known more about these folks than the disciples did as in their life style and their faith because we also find this .Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Lots to consider when we stray from the regular Bible and stray into mans doctrines where will it take us. For if we gain the whole world and lose our soul what profit have we gained

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Post by Sonshine on Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:33 am

Which is why I stated that God looks at the heart. None of us has arrived yet. I believe that many will be surprised on judgement day. That's why we should pray like David did and ask God to examine our hearts because in the end, it will be what's in our hearts that we will be judged on.

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Sonshine wrote:Which is why I stated that God looks at the heart. None of us has arrived yet. I believe that many will be surprised on judgement day. That's why we should pray like David did and ask God to examine our hearts because in the end, it will be what's in our hearts that we will be judged on.

Also it can be seen by others can it not ?
Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.


Luk 6:46 ¶ And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

So can we find any place where Jesus says join any man made origination of any sort .

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I haven't seen any where where the Lord prohibits us from joining a manmade organization. Smile

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Sonshine wrote:I haven't seen any where where the Lord prohibits us from joining a manmade organization. Smile

Nor have i found where he told anyone to join . So as for me and my house till he tells me to i an't

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